Brian Horton again left to defend Rise Of The Tomb Raider Sales/Microsoft Exclusivity

Brian Horton, The Game Director for Rise Of The Tomb Raider has again lept to the defence of the games sales via The Tomb Raider Forums. Some fans are not happy with the sales figures and Microsoft receiving exclusivity for the latest Lara Croft outing, with a late 2016 release date scheduled for the PlayStation 4 and PC. When faced with the following remark from User Peep Show

Keep telling your lies, maybe you’ll start believing them soon! Sales =/= Reviews, Awards. You brought it up for no reason, but of course I wouldn’t expect you to say that the game flopped, you’re not stupid. 300K is not being on top, no one cares about reboot Lara.

Brian Horton responded in kind,

The dev team is not responsible for sales and therefore we look to reviews and releasing on time to gauge our performance. We acomplished these goals. The press considers Rise of the Tomb Raider a high quality game based on the scores. I don’t see any of this as a lie.

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According to estimates from VGChartz, Rise Of The Tomb Raider sold over 301,028 units during its first week on sale at retail stores worldwide.  When platform sales are broken down, Rise of the Tomb Raider did much better on Xbox One with that particular version of the game selling over 229,742 units, considerably larger then the 71,286 units sold for the Xbox 360.

Percentage wise, the Xbox One version of Rise Of The Tomb Raider accounted for 76% of sales with the Xbox 360 version only managed 24%. The estimates are further concrete evidence that gamers are leaving the old gen consoles behind.

Horton was then faced with this post from User BigR4444,

I can see where youre coming from; and to be honest, I kinda respect you for being the only person around here who challenged him a little bit. But theres a right way to do it, and a wrong way to do it… and you had one foot in the wrong.Keep in mind, Brian didnt ink this deal. His concern is just making the game. When he says hes happy about the game, thats not a lie. Hes happy about the game he made, regardless of its exposure. And based on what little ive seen, and the reviews; it looks fantastic… shame I cant play it yet. While its great that the game seems to be solid… its kind of strange to me to be jumping in the forum, into a thread about the sales numbers, and saying everythings all gravy…Everything is NOT all gravy.

He continued with,

This game came up 800k short of the reboots sales numbers… Its not about the numbers! Thats possibly 800k people who wanted to buy/play this game week one, and couldnt… because they dont own a MS console… Myself included…  Thats NOT a good thing… thats a bad thing…That should be the primary concern… that there are hundreds of thousands of people left out of the party…While I understand that there are still certain agreements that must be stuck to; one can always use clever language to communicate with people. And at this point, im sure there are a lot of people out there like me, that still feel completely in the dark, and not communicated with.And popping in to pat yourself on the back about award noms and about looking forward to the 20th anniversary, next year; kinda feels patronizing…

To which Brian replied,

I didn’t mean to go off topic or patronize, but there was suggestion in the thread that the reported sales numbers reflect poorly on the dev team. Square/Microsoft are happy with Crystal and Eidos Montreal and the game itself. As to the topic of sales, I’m unqualified to discuss it so I won’t have anything else to say on this thread. Much love TRF and happy holidays.

Although sales for the game have not been maybe what the publisher or developers had hoped for, Rise Of The Tomb Raider has continued to receive largely positive reviews across the board. Horton had been on the Forums to celebrate Rise Of The Tomb Raiders awards and nominations.

I’m sure he wishes he hadn’t bothered now.

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  • Orion Pax

    DAMAGE CONTROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

    • DLConspiracy//

      Control is spelled with one “l”

      • Orion Pax

        the rest of the Ls are shorts of Loser

        • DLConspiracy//

          You spelled I’m a little kid wrong.

          • Professor Prinny *Dude*

            You’re trying too hard dood.

          • DLConspiracy//

            It was a joke. Dude.

          • Orion Pax

            you’re still not sucking my dick properly, i told you to use your tongue more

          • DLConspiracy//

            Got to have one. At least a pube.

  • jacksjus

    I don’t see why they are speaking on how well the game has been received, when the original reboot too was well received.

    I don’t think anyone expected it to flop critically. So the only thing left to speak on is its commercial flop. That’s just common sense.

  • king_of_spades

    Smh dummies claim damage control. God I’m so happy I’m not a Sony fanboy

    • bigevilworldwide1 .

      Uh thats because it IS damage control….Its not selling well on the shooty bro console because its not a shooter, on top of their mentally retarded idea to release it in the exact same time frame that games like Fallout 4 and Halo 5 were going to be out, there were way too many other games it was going to get forgotten…..

      FYI the reboot sold worlds better on PC and PS3/PS4, only an idiot would sell timed exclusivity to the console that had less sales of the first game, and also had other massive titles coming out in the same period…..At worst they shouldn’t have done timed exclusivity with anyone and at best they should have delayed the game and are now paying the price

      • heaving brown

        You seem really upset about this. Maybe you should take a few steps back, suck in some deep breaths, and reevaluate the life choices that led you here.

        • Martyn Gray-Horwood

          That’s quite a pathetic attempt at a retort but we’ll done for trying at least 😉

          • heaving brown

            I don’t think you know what the word ‘retort’ means, but “we’ll” done for trying a new word at least 😉

          • Martyn Gray-Horwood

            Even more pathetic an attempt than your first and to try to counter a comment with an obvious predictive text error is worse, it is petty, it is pedantic and it goes a long way to highlighting your lack of substance, philosophical and intellectual both.
            I laugh in your general direction you son of a motherless goat.

            I would tell you to check the dictionary definition of the word retort but I know this Internet generation is the most athletically feeble in the history of this Anthropocene age so here it is in all its magnificence.
            Retort : To make a reply, especially a quick, caustic, or witty one.
            Are you attempting to imply that you were not replying to bigevilworldwide1?
            Actually, you may be right, Your reply was neither quick nor witty so it doesn’t comply with the exact definition but it was laced with sarcasm and it was definitly caustic…… It was also well beneath that which I would expect from any reasonably intelligent human being.

          • heaving brown

            A comment in reaction to something not directed at ones self is not a retort. But please, don’t let me take away from your sputtering Big-Boys-First-Thesaurus diatribe. I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone so desperately appear intelligent, and fail so hard at the same time. The fact that you used ‘pedantic’ as an insult within a rant that could hardly be described as anything else reveals a deep-seated self loathing. I don’t even need to make fun of you – you clearly loathe yourself enough for the both of us.

      • Sledg

        So funny that you state “Its not selling well on the shooty bro console because its not a shooter”. I’m sorry but what does PS4 have advertising rights for? That’s right, all the 3rd party shooters! Get a grip on yourself man. It will sell well on Xbox and you are too concerned over numbers. Had no one told you that VGAchart is not reliable any more? Digital Sales! MS Store sales!
        You seem bitter for no apparent reason!

      • king_of_spades

        how are they paying the price? the game sold well AND they got paid for the deal. you failed

    • PhilipStevenHader

      No one cares what you are.

      • king_of_spades

        looks like you do idiot

    • Mike Hunt

      You sad, pathetic, deluded xbot. I’m glad I’m not a m$ fanboy.

      • king_of_spades

        Nah you’re just a dumbass

      • king_of_spades

        what makes me an xbox? ill let you think pretty hard and shoot yourself in the foot like the dumbass you are

  • Hanzo Hasashi

    What about the ones that want to play Street Fighter V? BloodBourne? Shenmue 3? Final Fantasy 7? and are tied to Xbox One only?

    LoL

    • bigevilworldwide1 .

      What do idiots not get about Bloodborne SONY OWNS THE BLOODBORNE IP….It wasn’t a From Software game that Sony paid for the rights, SONY OWNS IT just like Demon’s Souls……Sony co-developed Bloodborne also….

      Im so tired of people crying about that(when there are FACTS) and SFV, when Capcom has said 100000000000000000 times that SFV is being FUNDED by Sony, there is a major difference between Sony coming in and PAYING for development and MS coming in when the game is 3/4th finished and paying for timed exclusivity…

      The point is Square are idiots, Tomb Raider hasn’t been a massive seller in YEARS the reboot sold best on PC and PS systems. There was zero chance PC and PS players were going to rush out and buy an Xbox knowing it was going to be coming to PC and PS4

      • Jose Daniel Figueroa

        which is tragic. capcom such a succesful company so many multiplatform IP squandered its resources, and now they are locked with sony and wont be able to make profit from all gamers. the first party sony games i understand they wont make it to xbox. but shit like street fighter. shemnue, those are made by companies that make multiplatformer games. them being locked into sony its really fucked up.

        • WEL

          they aren’t “locked” with Sony because the game will be released on PC and with a cross server kind of set-up that Live policies wouldn’t allow.

          • Jose Daniel Figueroa

            still leaving a console out, because shady business deals that punishes players for not choosing their console. capcom fucked up not defend them. i have played street fighter games on my super nintendo, genesis, duo, saturn, playstation1,2, xbox360. street fighter exclusive to a console that is a shady deal not good for players.

          • James Anthony

            Well said!

  • Jrocker23

    What I don’t understand is people saying Microsoft bought a timed exclusive. Google the Tomb Raider deal and you will see that Microsoft was working on this with Capcom since the beginning & funded the game just like Sony did with SF because capcom wasn’t going to fund ROTTR & it wouldn’t of happened, the timed exclusive was added on. Number 2, the game did come out at a bad time due to other games but there are a lot of people that waited closer to Christmas & black Friday to pick this game and others up. Sales numbers will be a lot better when they release info in January. Week one sales are not a good indication of how well it will sell given the time of year and other higher profile games out. Just to clarify, I have a PS4 as well, I’m just tired of Sony gamers thinking we are so much better than others. If we are so much better, why did Sony have almost nothing in terms of games for almost the hole year (and I don’t mean multiplats)

    • Gority

      Capcom doesn’t have anything to do with TR, that’s Square Enix. It’s unclear when MS got into the development in TR but they definitely supported the game similar to what Sony is doing with Capcom and SFV. I think there are a few reasons people have a problem with the TR deal though. TR was originally announced at E3 2014, but didn’t specify what platforms. Given that the original reboot was for all platforms, people were disappointed after being hyped up after the initial reveal. Then, they also weren’t clear during the announcement that it was a timed exclusive. And finally, TR has a long history with PS, so that’s part of it too. It’d almost be like Sony getting Splinter Cell as a timed exclusive away from MS.

      • Martyn Gray-Horwood

        But Splinter cell was never an Xbox exclusive was it?

        • Gority

          Conviction was on Xbox 360 and PC. Maybe Mass Effect is a better example.

      • James Anthony

        I think PC had Tomb Raider longer,but that does not make PC have the rights to it or Sony or Sega Saturn or Xbox. The problem With SF5 is all the consoles had it and now only one. I Like kicking the crap out of people on their own console.

        • Gority

          I’m not trying to imply that Sony consoles had the right to it. I just think it’s bad to announce a game that was on previous platforms without announcing platforms it was on, and then announcing that it is exclusive. At that point it seems like something is being taken away.

  • DLConspiracy//

    So it seems that every game should be matched with Fallout 4, sales counted with a microscope within the first 2 weeks of coming out and VGCHARTS which is historically inaccurate for years now. VGcharts doesn’t even track digital sales either.

    Why do I get the feeling that people are just damning the game or rather hoping the game fails because they are pissed about it not coming to their console? I don’t agree a sequel should have exclusivity to one platform by any means. Same goes for Street Fight 5 but it happened. I see a lot of exclusivity coming in the future and I hope the people who are whining and hating on this game treat other games that become exclusive to their favorite platform with the same judgements..

    • WEL

      Vg Chartz is only inaccurate with new games because they are estimates but they updated their number later down the road with official data.

      • DLConspiracy//

        In any case I’m seeing a lot of hypocrisy from last gen this gen.

    • Kfal Balli

      They won’t hate on it if it’s on their platform of choice. The bias is growing and quite disgusting but I didn’t see the big uproar when Street Fighter V was made exclusive, Destiny exclusive content and the Shenmue deal, as I remember playing Shenmue on xbox and dreamcat never playstation. Just a lot of hypocrites going mouthing off. And those figures released thus far only represent physical copies and this was BEFORE black friday smh.

      • Jose Daniel Figueroa

        i was upset when street fighter 5 became an exclusive. poor management on capcom and greedy sony executives. it was a perfect storm. i say it really sad, microsoft is guilty too they do it as well, its the ugly part of bussiness that we all want to ignore and blame the other but it just sucks for gamers alike all of them, we lose when they make deals like that behind closed doors.

        • Kfal Balli

          True. Didn’t like the reasoning behind that deal either. Anytime you sell 8 million copies and say you need financing then you are doing something wrong. But for people to compare the reboot sales figures to the current is just sad. Everyone knows the userbase of both consoles was much higher last gen around the time the reboot released. Gamers are going to continue to lose out on backroom deals.

    • rudero

      Do any of you remember where all the sales numbers matter comes from?! Microsoft. They ingrained into their fan base since halo 2. Just like the “play the better version only on” advertisements. They created all of this.
      This gen they are victim to their own creations with millions of dollars on their advertising last gen.
      This, coupled with just the overall dislike of Microsoft to the majority of consumers, what else do they expect?

      • Phil

        Nope, gamers have always used sales to tout their favourite platform/console. What you are seeing is the conduit of people’s inability to think properly.

        • rudero

          Nope. It was marketing hype that was used to make the consumer interested in a product. Millions of dollars and partnerships were made to move products with Microsoft.
          Perhaps you should look into Microsoft’s history and Bill Gates major. Advertising and marketing. “Do not sell people what they want, make people want what you sell” was Bill Gates founding phrase.
          I understand it all but you are confusing comment sections with actual articles. Articles created, bought and were used to build hype of a product. Touting numbers and discrepancies were created to make it appear popular or better.

          • DLConspiracy//

            In any case we are seeing Sony isn’t above that either as they are now using all the same moves as xbox did. Also Steve Jobs did the exact same thing. He was a damn good salesman that seems to have followed Bills words. That’s just sales 101. Making people come to their own conclusion.

          • Phil

            My point is “touting numbers and discrepancies” is an classic tool for manipulation used by humans for centuries, regardless of whether Bill Gates thinks he invented it.

      • drjonesjnr

        Well said

    • ImOnaDrugCalledSheen

      How could people be pissed its not coming to their console when it is coming to both consoles as well as PC? Maybe its just what people have been saying all along, xbox fans dont care for games like this, expect to see poor sales for Quantum Break as well.

      • DLConspiracy//

        I don’t know. I like all sorts of games. I have never understood why people think just because you own a console that it means you are predisposed to only enjoy certain titles.

        • outlawq

          that’s sorta how it works. PS and Xbox have developed images that cater to different crowds. Xbox wants attract the PS crowd but The PS crowd doesn’t need an Xbox cause they have their PS and the Xbox crowd primarily don’t care for narrative driven titles at all. Xbox crowd honestly just likes to shoot shit for the sake of it

          • DLConspiracy//

            When people say stuff like that it makes it seem like the owners of the xbox console now are too stupid to enjoy narative. All because what… Halo is on the console and helped usher in FPS multiplayer on console ? Because COD offered timed exclusive content all last gen? Or because of a larger percentage of people enjoy gun games than whatever intellectual game there is. I don’t understand why all the sudden guns are some stupid persons enjoyment and swords are for intelligent people. I mean come on man. Killing things and shooting things isn’t exclusive to one console. PS also offers up more people playing shooters now. Exclusive contracts for COD DLC, Destiny, SW battlefront was pused too. So I guess now it’s time that any person who happens to own a PS is now suddendly a dumb shooter likeing erson? The shooter console. I mean that’s what you are essentially saying. Could it possibly be that overall people like shooters and whatever console has the most players generally has the most shooter fans? I mean that’s a much better theory than saying people are birthed by a specific console to be predisposed to enjoy a certain game type.

            No offense man. What you say makes it seem like only stupid people play certain game types. Can’t people enjoy something without being labeled? Should I say only PS fans like girly JRPGS? Since a large percentage like JRPGS?

          • outlawq

            don’t get me wrong I get what your saying but what I’m telling is you’re wasting time. your post are ultimately futile cause most ppl wont see them nor care what you have to say. PS fans have always been big on narrative driven linear games (JRPGS is too niche bro) and like Xbox is trying to catering to single gamers PS is also trying to adjust their image and cater to FPS crowd (it just happens its workin for them while Xbox still has a ways to go). I’m not trying to say Shooters are purely for idiots but they’re quite casual and tend to lack depth nowadays (look at what MS has done to Halo and Gears. ruined any respect I had for Halo and Gears used have me so jell for not owning a 360 but judgement was just ugh and Gears4 may face the same fate). Also wasn’t saying guns are exclusive to a console since a lot of sony SP games containing a weapons with bullets.

          • DLConspiracy//

            Halo 4 and a judgement aren’t exactly the best games to judge on. Considering Halo 5 has actually done leaps over part 4. In fact the MP in Halo 5 is one of the best to date. It’s so well rounded. The story is far deeper than Halo 4 by a long shot. Although personally i didnt mind Halo 4. Despite what you read from people online. Much better than Halo 4 story. Gears 4 is not out yet and I would rather not assume based on Judgement. Uncharted is a 3rd person shooter technically. Granted it’s ND. but still a shooter. I’m not judging it though because it’s a shooter. Plus have you even played Resistance or KillzoNE games? That’s Narative? Have you played Halo 4 or 5? Mass effect started on Xbox and was later brought to PS. Don’t think that’s a bad narative. They happen to have guns in them. Dragon Age? Dark Souls? Sorry man but I think calling people daft for playing what you consider casual games or shooters is akin to a sort of stereotype that feels classest or racest in a way. Sure people like shooters on xbox because there are people who like Halo. That doesn’t account for the entirity of the platform. It’s some made up BS that people parrot in comments. I don’t care what a yone else thinks by the way. I’m talking to you about stereotyping people and segregating gamers into intellectual groups based on some rather loose assumptions. That in itself is stupid and ignorant.

          • outlawq

            yeah you do care what others think because im not only one youve engaged in conversation with. Resistence and especially killzone are underrated asf imo. KZ came too late in existence and was overhadowed by Halo. with that said both of those fall off with their 3rd entries. also stop putting words in my mouth. im not calling someone dumb or autistic for have a preference of FPS over other things (cause EVERYONE plays or has played one therefore we would all be retarded now wouldnt we?). also, you’re repeating things ive already brought up. ive acknowledged PS has shooters too but make it seem im intentionally ignoring the fact.

          • DLConspiracy//

            Oh no no no. You don’t get to label me like you are everyone else. There is no agenda.

            You said.

            ” Xbox crowd primarily don’t care for narrative driven titles at all. Xbox crowd honestly just likes to shoot shit for the sake of it”

            This is the statement that started this discussiom. It’s a generalization. Generalizations are simplifications based on generalized assumptions. Simple. I find fault with your simplification of people. It’s a stab at one side of the fence. A side of the fence you apparently once stood on equally. Can’t everyone just like different things? Do they all have to be grouped per console or per interests? Sorry but you make it seem like an agenda. There no need to simplify people into groups or segregate them based on what YOU think is truth. That’s all I am saying. No need for it. No need to justify anything.

      • Herolicar Bufole

        The first Tomb Raider did great on the 360. SE’s big mistake was releasing it on the same day as Fallout 4.

    • drjonesjnr

      I don’t think Microsoft will be getting many more 3rd party exclusives.
      The sales for them games on the bone have been terrible.
      Just like the console sales themselves.
      You will see many more on the ps4 though 😉

      • DLConspiracy//

        Not surprised you are supportive of 3rd party exclusives. It suits you.

        • drjonesjnr

          Are you not here supporting tomb raider because its exclusive on you’re favorite console?
          Shame its not many other peoples favorite console huh
          Lol

          • DLConspiracy//

            That pretty much only matters to corporate gamers like yourself. I wanted to play the game so I bought it.

  • Jose Daniel Figueroa

    sooo many trolls out there, makes me want to stop just reading gaming news websites because sooo many trolls worried more about sales than games themselves. there is a few things i want to say about this game, if this game is anything like the previous tomb raider, then the game is good. i got the tomb raider definitive edition free with my xbox live and i played it all. everything was great, exept multiplayerc but for multiplayer there is always a halo, cod or battlefield. people need to stop bitching about this game making it to xbox first then pc and ps. those deals have nothing to do with the game itself and the people who actualy made the game.playstation have done far worst, like making sure street fighter, final fantasy and a few other games not to arrive to xb1, i can understand first party games being on such consoles, but when you have games that have always be multi platformers and make those to only go to your console thats fucked up. capcom can go fuck itself im not gonna buy a playstation for street fighter. now all that aside, Square enix is fucked up, instead of making multi platformer games like they always did they have different IP go to different consoles. that is just ridiculous they are not targeting all gamers because deals they make with the console makers. and worst of all is that square enix dont know how to listen to its fans. i have heard more about fans wanting dragon quest x and other dq titles in 1 day than a years worth of hardcore tombraider fans. i will not buy this game. i wont buy any of square enix shit until they bring to west dragon quest X. not even dragon quest xi will make me buy a ps because its coming for 3ds, the only thing real hardcore fans from square enix want is dragon quest not tomb raider. so its really stupid put the games most people want in playstation only. and give the junk no one really cares about like tomb raider and put that in multiplatform.

    • WEL

      no sales means no more games, no more sequels. So of-course sales are important unless you don’t care about the game and don’t want to see more of a series.

      • Jose Daniel Figueroa

        but you cant count sales numbers until you have released on all platforms. thats what i’m saying. timed exclusives are stupid. there were a lot of factors why didnt sell too well so close to holidays(fallout 4 being one of them), any console exclusive title thats 3rd party. its stupid. stupid business decisions made by greedy corporate assholes that care more about deals with other corporate assholes so they made their money and the one who pays the consequences are gamers.

    • Kfal Balli

      Well put. I just don’t understand the outrage when it’s done on other platforms it shouldn’t be done at all if that’s the case. Also we are reacting to sales figures that were compiled before the biggest shopping day of the year which is black friday and I don’t think that’s fair.

    • hvd hvd

      30,000,000.200,00 ps4 trolls that dont use any common sense.its so bad i just stop posting in forums.even with the truth in front of them they still troll..lol

      just wait for dx12 games to come out in 2016.fyi tombraider is a dx12 game.
      when crack down 3 releases i want to see their faces and see how many sony fanbosy go buy a xbox one..lol

      • Martyn Gray-Horwood

        Explain. You seem to be under the illusion that DX12 will help the xbox one?
        Dx12 will have no effect on xbox one graphics according to the expert opinions I have read. Pc games will benefit but not xbox one.
        Crackdown 3 will only use Azure for very low level calculations as not one internet connection on Earth (available to consumers)is remotely fast enough for anything else and the lack of hardware power and the gimp of the ram in the xbox one will not get a boost from the cloud. This is again expert opinion, from devs and specialists at places like AMD (that built the chips in ps4 and xb1), Intel and Nvidia.
        Before you call me names because you font like what I’m saying, I’m a gamer. I have a gaming pc, xbox one, ps4, wii u and xb360 as well as an original xbox and a ps2 and the original playstation. I don’t care what I game on as long as I enjoy myself.

        • hvd hvd

          not even going to bother with you.just google what dx12 does.im not wasting my time..lol

          • Martyn Gray-Horwood

            I understand your ignorance, idiots rarely care about facts.
            For clarity, here is Phil Spencer on the issue http://wccftech.com/phil-spencer-directx-1-xbox-one-hardware-graphics/

          • hvd hvd

            you guys cling to one tweet to much…lol

            you dont see how many dev’s have already came out and said it does.ill take their word over yours any day…like i said im not even going to bother with you…lol

      • Mike Hunt

        You are one sad, pathetic, deluded xbot. Get some help.

      • andrew159159

        DX 12 Won’t do anything for game consoles. The API used is already low level.

  • Samuel G Alterio

    Just ask Crytek how making Ryse: Son of Rome an Xbox exclusive worked out for them.
    Grant it, Tomb Raider is a timed exclusive but gamers on the PC and PS4 are going to move on and forget all about Tomb Raider if say, a new Uncharted gets released at the same time or just before Tomb Raider.

    • HAppY_KrAToS

      Will I get murdered by saying 95% of the Xbox fans are American, and 90% of them only want to save the world by controlling ‘John the jocker’ or ‘slate the slayer’, 2 incredible powerful American soldiers who must save the world for the 150th time, and must kill some bad Tchechen or Russian guys, on the next fantastic amazing call of duty game ?

      during almost 8 years, Microsoft gave them forza, halo, gears, Alan wake or fable. Microsoft couldn’t care less about giving the gamers new franchises, halo gears and call of duty were enough to satisfy 90% of the x360 gamers.

      well, looks like those Xbox fans who have bought an xbox1, still want the same old franchises, and that can easily explain the poor sales with Ryse of Rome, sunset overdrive or titanfall, whose sales on X1 were quite poor.

      still today, with about 10-12 million x1 sold, one could expect there would be at least 5% of the X1 owners (around 600’000) who would be interested on a great exclusive title like rise of Tomb Rider. ..but with about 230’000 sold units on the x1, that represents a little 3%. Yeah, only 3% of the current xbox1 owners have bought the new tomb raider game, which is….really poor sales.

      I just hope the studio will put all their love into making the ps4 version as fantastic as possible, and will use the extra +50% of power on the ps4 ( the tomb rider remaster run at 30fps on x1, and 60fps on ps4… maths are simple, here: the ps4 has used the power of TWO xbox1, to be able to double the framerate ).

      With a bug-free version, + all the dlcs and other goodies, I and another 3-5 million ps4 owners will show the studio why Tomb Rider was a Playstation title in the first place, by buying it.

      Though, there is something really positive with these poor sales: maybe this will be a good lesson to some eventual studios who will be approached by Microsoft or Sony, to make an exclusive deal.

      • drjonesjnr

        Well said

      • Jose Daniel Figueroa

        it is irresponsible to say that the ps4 has the power of 2 xbox units. that is not true. stupid troll comment. fault lies with square enix making stupid deals and people not being happy with them. tomb raider should had been released on all consoles at same time, same as dragon quest heroes released on all consoles as well not just ps4.

  • bigshynepo

    If they are happy with the job they did, that awesome. The game does look very high quality. Their choice to put all their eggs in the Xbox basket might hurt them fiscally but it certainly doesn’t reflect on their ability to create a quality product. Congratulations to the dev team and hopefully there is a price drop for the PS4 version so that we can all appreciate another Lara adventure, eventually.

    There is no reason the gaming community should be criticizing their design accomplishments, just their business decisions.

  • Daniel Lawson

    He just needs to not talk to these fools… and who are these asshats to talk shit to a man who made one of the best games of the year? What have they done with their lives that people have enjoyed for hours and hours?

  • Daniel Lawson

    The only PS4 owners crying about this are those who didn’t plan ahead and get and Xbox One… that or they are so fanboyish that they’d rather miss out on great games then own another console without PlayStation branded on it

    • outlawq

      No one is dropping 400+ for one game which happens to be timed in exclusivity. That’s being rational not a fanboy

  • PhilipStevenHader

    Should have gone for that boonty box exclusivity.

  • outlawq

    300k? That’s pitiful asf. Hope that deal was worth it (likely wasn’t)

    • angh

      From the release of first Tomb Raider (2013):

      “During its May fiscal report, Square Enix revealed that it had sold 4 million copies of Tomb Raider. That made it one of the best-selling games in the franchise’s history, and it was outpacing all of its predecessors. Yet the Japanese publisher was still disappointed in its performance. Gamers and industry observers widely criticized Square Enix for putting such lofty expectations on a game franchise that did not have a Call of Duty-level sales pedigree.”

      http://venturebeat.com/2014/03/07/tomb-raider-meets-square-enixs-lofty-sales-expectations-after-all/

      So they were disappointed with 4 millions sales, and they are happy now with 400k sales? lol.

      • outlawq

        this. Square has always had unrealistic or absurdly high sales expections/projections(they were disappointed with Hitman too for no good reason). they’ll be giving us all the fixins’ just to sale this shit next year for everyone else

  • Johanna_L

    What self respecticting man would like to play as a crazy woman that only kills men. Its a sexist misandtrist feminazi propaganda game. Only for women who hates men.

    • Martyn Gray-Horwood

      If the protagonist was male and he killed only women there would be outrage from the feminazi’s. Because it’s a woman killing men not a cheek is turned, sexist at work right there!

      • Johanna_L

        That explains the poor sales because this is not gender equality.

  • James Anthony

    Who cares the game is awesome. The people that own an Xbox One will regret this, they tried to show Xbox One fans they cared and the fans spit back in their faces. Trust me SE will not do the for Microsoft again.

    • James Anthony

      What I want to see is how many Sony fans flip flop like Mitt Romney and buy this game ahhh 2014 was not so long ago. Remember Titanfall they said they didnot want it on PS4 now Titanfall 2 is coming to PS5 seems like you all forgot this fanboy bs. Not me!

  • Truthhurts24

    The butthurt from the pony slaves is very disgraceful this gen. Im happy Brian responded professionally to that slave who should have been ignored.

  • tplarkin7

    Sales are more important than reviews. However, it did review well and it may sell better next month after people stop spending money on Fallout 4. My personal opinion is that Rise of the Tomb Raider is not new when compared to Tomb Raider 2013. (I beat both games.) Microsoft simply bought two ports for their consoles. They did not spend a penny to help them show off the capabilities of Xbox One. They should’ve dropped the 360 version to focus on Xbox One. I think its a pathetic investment because MS does not believe in their own console. Maybe they’re saving for an early release of Xbox Two? Or, maybe MS is getting out of the console business?

  • Mithan

    Boohoo. Idiots. I won’t play it until next year. Not a big deal.

  • hvd hvd

    come on guys he cant say that ms game hin a boat load of $$$$$$$$$ now can he?

  • Mr Xrat

    Blunder of the year, Brian. Just hope that the awful reboot and then alienating the traditional fanbase on PC/PS doesn’t completely tank the game next year.

    • Truth™

      The PC will save it through Steam Sales. The POS4 will be left behind by a better NX version.

      Sonycucks will still be defending Unsharted 4 900P and crying their little hearts out as all the exclusives go to PC and their console is made even more useless than it already is.

      720P VR
      720P PS2 games

      Why buy a PS4? Greatness is already here on PC

      • albatrosMyster

        You are an embarassment for all PC gamers :-/

      • drjonesjnr

        Sorry mate but the NX will be the fail nail in Microsoft coffin.
        Don’t forget the ps4 has out sold the wii u and xbone combined.
        The ps4 hasn’t got any competition this gen.
        Hopefully the NX will be competition
        And it will be nx and ps4 neck and neck with the irrelevant box trying to Sta relevant

        • Truth™

          The NX will destroy Sony and Sony will be bankrupt only heaving PC and NX

          Sorry but Sony is not part of the gaming future and no one wants them but $hills :^) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/48b65a1bbced772832fa704c4e1278dbcfae20eccbb516d13631a00a567c9813.jpg

          • drjonesjnr

            Sonys already won the gen mate
            Hopefully the nx will push Microsoft out of the console industry forever.
            Nobody buying the irrelevant box mate 🙂
            Good times !

          • Truth™

            Sony lost the gen to PC
            NX will kick them out of the industry for good
            No one cares about the irrelevant box

            No one wants Sony here. Get lost, $chill

          • drjonesjnr

            Pc is not a console mate the xbone has lost deal with it hahaha

          • Truth™

            PC is better than a console

            How’s Just cause 3 on PS4?

          • drjonesjnr

            Again the best console experience you can get 😉
            You can’t compare pc to consoles mate.
            But we all know your a Microsoft shill hence you being so upset hahahaha

          • Truth™

            Where am I upset?

            Sony’s going out of business and Nintendo and Valve will be the two main forces in the industry.

            There’s nothing but good times ahead :^)

            PS. Just Cause 3 drops to 18FPS and missing effects in the PC version. Running worse on PS4 than Batman ever did on PC. I don’t mind being 60FPS and all but it’s rather pathetic to see the PS4 fail to run a low settings game only two years after launch

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1a413850ad1c348cc1ea4a97d04b029b75838c17049e94967f6b87d314703052.jpg

          • outlawq

            TLOU community isn’t complaining about these. also like how you post all the cosmetic DLC over the weapon ones, like your point would’ve been better supported if showed all the guns

      • QUIMICOMORTAL

        LOL the biggest troll again! If only you played your suposedly mighty PC half the time you spend trolling any PS4 article.

  • Darmy

    To the people comparing tomb raider to the street fighter exclusive deal; shutup. That is as bluntly as I will put it. There’s a whole can of worms surrounding why it’s pc and ps4 only for street fighter, the biggest reason being that xbox Live and Playstation Plus can’t be best friends. That’s a fault we as gamers should be against and hate, not support it. It makes this crap happen.

    • DLConspiracy//

      No that’s an excuse. At least TR still comes to PS. But that won’t stop their whining.

      • Darmy

        It’s not an excuse, it’s a fact. Street fighter 5 is an attempt to branch PC and PS4 players together. Everyone’s trying it lately because beleive it or not, people hate being isolated. I know hundreds of Xbone owners who want to play ff14 but can’t because xbox Live refuses to interact with playstation plus in any way. It’s something we as gamers should be United against. That’s something we should all be fighting for.

        • DLConspiracy//

          That’s not true at all. It sounds nice sure but the reason that game is coming to PS is because Sony paid for it to be on PS and they have a lot more users on the console. It’s not coming to xbox because PS paid for it to be on theirs. PC was just a non compete. It had nothing to do with cross play. FF14 may be one thing but it’s no relation to SF5. Besides Sony sold off their PC division.

          • outlawq

            Sony provided the funding for that game which is why they get SF5 as an exclusive. Capcom was legit struggling prior to the deal (I mean sorta of a no brainer something isn’t right when they keep releasing SF4). Square on the other hand are greedy bastards who needed no financial support at all from MS and since MS wanted something to compete with Uncharted 4 it was the perfect opportunity to fill their pockets.

          • DLConspiracy//

            And irottr is still coming to both consoles and pc.

    • outlawq

      that’s MS fault. Sony has tried to get together with them on this and they weren’t accepting so fuck them

  • Mike Hunt

    Well, I’m buying it used now.

  • Edonus

    you see the trend is that only the sony Ponies are upset about the sales of Tomb Raider what the guy should say is STFU and wait your turn, these people are not saying the game is bad they are just whining because they dont have the console to play it. That your fault.

    As for ROTTR it will be a success eventually one way or another. I can speak for myself when I say I have not bought the game yet. The only reason is that unlike the Ponies all over the internet boasting their math degrees….. I have other major games to play. I plan on picking up ROTTR hopefully in January or Feb. By that time I will be done with Fallout 4 and less ravenous about the Halo 5 MP. Tomb Raider will fit nicely I know at least 2 others picking it up later.

    Despite popular opinion games don’t die after a week on shelves. Sure the first week normally garnishes the best sales in one sitting but the life of a game is important. Just like on the day i decide i want a racing game I’ll pick up Forza 6.

    The foolishness you hear from these fanboys just shows how conditioned and brainwashed they are. If they dont pick up the game while IGN is ramming it down their throat telling them its the characters are going to climb out the screen and piss gold in their eyes they dont think about the game as something to purchase.

  • Mats Leven

    fxxk you traitor CD , 300k is krama for your betray

  • oVg

    I cant wait. January 2017 here I come Lara. GOTY 2017.

    But, why should I invest In the SEQUEL to a great re-boot (I OWNED the 360 and the 1080p/60fps PS4 version) when the 3rd part of the trilogy will be closed off to the 20year loyal fanbase again.

    PASS.

    You burnt a fanbase that was more loyal than any Mass Effect fan. Imagine if Mass Effect 3 was released a year later on other platforms.

    DO NOT MAKE EXCLUSIVE DEALS FOR SEQUELS. You loose the momentum of the install base.

    Before people start mentioning Bayonetta 2 remember, Nintendo resurrected the franchise. SEGA wanted nothing to do with it.

  • Montello Johnson

    It’s ok that they made a business decision to release the game on 1 console only and piss off a bunch of other fans. I’ll just make my own business decision and buy my ps4 copy from a thrift store in a few years or so 🙂

  • albatrosMyster

    The thing is he is right, depending on how square/cristal dynamics is structured this “deal” may have come from the marketing team as opposed to the actual developpers (for all we know the PS4 and PC versions are already complete and ready to ship).

    So taking it to the game’s director is a bit stupid… However, it may serve to them as a lesson to not engage in this kind of schenanigans in the future 🙂 I don’t think MS paid enough (unless there is some kind of reverse proportion on sales v.s. some internal target they set. I.E. something like we would have sold X number of copies in the first 2 weeks if the game released on 4 platforms (let’s say 3 million) thus we should make X$, assuming reviews are great and the IGN monkeys push it hard enough on the PlayStation blog (which they did). Now they sold only 300k units, so they should be compensated in some way for the loss of market by MS.

    Or they recieved a lump sum of money when they signed + some marketing deal?

    Who knows?

    • Kfal Balli

      Sounds like assumptions on your part. You clearly don’t know a thing.

      • albatrosMyster

        Look who learned to read….

        • Kfal Balli

          Said the idiot.

          • albatrosMyster

            Are you for real? When someone writes something as an assumption, you cannot think you made some points by pointing it out… I mean seriously.

          • Kfal Balli

            Stop trolling at all the time. It is rather distasteful

  • drjonesjnr

    Unfortunately it not halo or forza Microsoft fans don’t buy games like this.
    Stupid business decision

  • Sweetbrandigirl2004

    SE did this so they can suffer the consequences !

  • kreator

    These dumbass butthurt ponies don’t understand that the game has a whole year to sell on the X1!

  • xbotsneverdie

    lol total blunder what SquareEnix had decided to do. Oh everyone knows MS seduced them with loads of ca$h but still doesn’t change the fact that the sales figure is god awful. I have Xbox one (as well as ps4 and high end pc) and pre ordered digital deluxe but this timed exclusive deal was a total fuck you to the fans who bought the fucking game on pc and playstation platform